No ship should automatically just get a drone bay because of its size or cost. The drone bay should also fit with the ship's role.

Just needing "a little extra utility" in what is arguably the most flexible class of ships in the game is not a valid justification.

caldari and drones... do you even belive in your words ?

It's probably so you can toss some armor rep drones or something like that.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to turn the Caldari into a drone faction, even if these tiny space pets are awesome. But not counting the Tengu, the "poor to no drone bays" still means that 9 out of the 12 ships have drone bays.
And you have to admit that even a few drones are infinitely more useful than no drones.

I don't want nullified transports, but my Hecate has more cargo hold than my Proteus, which isn't just a bigger ship but because of it's modularity it actually does need more than an average cruiser.

@Rek Seven: I would only move the probe and analyzer systems to the core, the cloak would stay in defense. The cloak gives a huge advantage that needs to be balanced somewhere. We already have enough offensive systems, and losing potential e-war bonus is not really a big deal for a lot of people.

Bumping it up to 450m3 should do the trick if they also reuce the subsystem size from 40m3 down to 10m3.

In short, this will kill the Tengu for use in Superior Sleeper caches. It will not be able to tank those anymore. It will not allow you to tank the damage in either solar or Sentries room from what I see and two back2back Massive Shockwaves in Archive room will kill lthe ship as it evaporates the shield with no time to regen. RIP explo Tengu

The reason why covert was in offensive is because in most case when used it will be used instead of weapons. Now, being in defensive it basically kills the ability to create a viable and well tanked explorer. When I come into a system cloacked and nullified, I am still seen (briefly) when coming in.. It's justa matter of combat probing to find me while refitting..

Basically negates the purpose of both Cloak and Nullification.. But then, that seems to be the whole idea.. Give the PVP crowd their pewpew.

If no other cruiser can run these sites then why should t3c?

I have to keep on repeating myself because you are ignoring fundamental parts of ship balance. Namely a generalist ship cannot be the best at any given task.

Its more like a bunch of people don't want their overpowered toy nerfed.



They very much do apply as these ships have more uses outside of exploration. If you want a dedicated t2 cruiser for exploration then ask for one.



Swiss army knife is a generalist, it does everything but not as well as something dedicated. You cant have more tank on the cloaky T3C because that renders the recons obsolete.

Well, we have the Nestor, but I wouldn't really use it for exploration, even if it's somewhat more agile than the average battleships. The lack of cloak bonus is really painful on that ship. Even if we don't get cov-ops cloak, can't we get a "no speed and scan resolution reduction" bonus at least, instead of the barely useful remote rep?

Off Topic yes, but;
Cargo scanners are a crutch.. knowing you just got unlucky on a 60M can as it blows is not worth it..
Separate Data/Relic is so last decade, we use Zeugma now.. :P ..

I know that you probably have given it a deep thought, but Loki with 5-2 high slots is not going to go far =/ Every time you do something like that we have another underpowered ship with spare non bonused slots fitted with energy neutralizers, rapid missile launchers etc that are placed there not because they are going to be essential in this fit, but because there is nothing to fit there. And then you say that it is Minmatarr versatility. 6-6 with total 6 high slots - that is versatile. Why not make Tengu versatile also? I bet lots of players will appreciate if it gets nice pair of railguns (without bonuses) and 5 missile launchers. If it really happened we probably woudn't have seen end of it.
It is good and all that you have decided to rebalance subsystem because some of them are almost never used, but you could also look at some ships, ask yourself why they are almost never used and at least do not add more to them. (Give us 6 turrets or 6 launchers please.)

If it was up to me:

1. Offensive
Weapons
ECM / ewar
Covert OPS

2. Defensive
Tank
ECCM
Remote rep

3. Core
Probe and Hack
PG/CPU
[have to think of this one]

4. Propulsion
Nullification
Speed subwarp and agility
Warpspeed


But the table has been set on this really, there's no chance IMO that anything will change from what is on SiSi now.

It should not, but recent developments would indicate that CCP does at least try to promote a specific style of play over others and is modeling and 'balancing' ships to accomodate this.

This only could make sense if EVE wouldn't have a closed, in-game economy.

Making PVE harder than it should be can lead to PVE players leaving the game. This would mean two things: no more ISK generated by incursions and missions, and no more fancy faction module drops from DED site runners. This means that the game will consume all of it's money in about a year, and suddenly the best equipment you can get would be T2 and the stuff you can buy from faction warfare LP stores.
Making solo play harder than it should be can lead to people interested in exploration leaving the game - the same people who usually avoid PVP because their cargo is worth a hundred times more than their ship. This also reduces the number of fancy blueprints and even T3 components.

Solo play and PVE are important because they produce the supplies that group PVP needs.

T3Cs are receiving a long awaited nerf. I think we all need to get over that fact and realize they won't have the best damage/tank/ewar/agility combined anymore.

Btw, they still deal a ridiculous amount of damage for cruiser hull.

Well, After 4 years I have decided to come back and one of the first things I notice is the discussion on upcoming changes to T3 cruisers. I really like the proposed changes and am looking forward to them. Any idea on when this patch is supposed to launch?

Unfortunately we can't mix and match bonuses and trade-offs as we would like. For example giving more points to defense and exploration and less to offense (similar to this completely unrelated image just to give a visual illustration, I'm really not really good when I need to explain things) - subsystems are not good for this, even if it could work better in some cases, and skills could give more points to distribute.

Multiple subsystems of the same ship giving redundant bonuses feels kind of uncreative and lazy.